"Do not believe in anything, no matter where you have read or who said it, even if I'm the one who said it, unless it agrees with your own conclusions and your own common sense."-Buddha
Who is loyal? A believer or a friend?
A believer who justifies everything you say and do,
not because it is right, but because you said it, or did it
or the friend, who sees you exactly as you are,
being, who may question you,
if it makes no sense what you say or do?
Who is a true friend?
One who admits the truth even if it hurts the ego,
(his own vanity or another's,
or one who will please his own vanity or another's
though hurting the justice and truth?
It is crucial to see this.
For bloody wars will forever be caused
by those who do not see this difference.
Who mistake the false for the real friend
the false from the real self,
in a relationship.
We are not our beliefs.
We can believe the earth is flat,
until we are shown it is a sphere.
We are still the same humans, only the belief changed...
***
Nothing is hidden to the spirit posted on Facebook
Nothing is hidden to the spirit,
or should be hidden between us if we are true friends.
How can you call a relationship spiritual,
if you try to fake or hide anything true from your friend?
To hide the truth if not flattering, may be social hypocrisy,
but it is neither the way of a spiritual path or that of a spiritual relationship.
Is that so difficult to understand?
For me, you can say mantras the whole day,
do active or passive meditations every day, kiss the feet of your guru,
but If you are not willing to be really honest in a relationship with a friend,
you are not in the path of true love that leads to your ‘essence’.
Then you are only flattering the ego and keeping appearances.
Not so?
Truth is creative, never boring to me.
But turning round the point like this,
is extremely boring to me.
To avoid an essential issue indefinitely…and just generalize,
like saying we all make faults, does not not really to clear anything,
or start anything anew between us.
That would be just to to go back to the boring evasion of reason
or accountability that causes unclarity and clashes to start with.
Of courseI also made faults, many writing faults,
but I corrected them or apologized for them-
and I asked you to tell me if what I said was not true,
and I would apologize.
Dear devotees, I do not mind you challenge me. Questions can inspire me!
but you do mind when you are challenged!
You rather break with the one who sees an injustice
an incoherence in you and your guru, than humbly admit it.
You do not want clarity, but rather a double standard
to silence the truth if not flattering, than to be straight.
You rather be emotional, angry, against one who is honest;
and accuse of hurting your feelings who searches for truth...!
This is basically what we do not agree with:
I do not mind you show me a fault, but you do.
I mind if you are untrue.
You mind if I am true!
if not flattering to you or your belief.
What kind of relationship do you want from me?
A lovey dovi one even if you must fake it?
If a spiritual path includes hiding the truth,
if not flattering, includes resenting detectives in your way,
it is not spiritual at all.
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When there is a conflict, I simply ask sincerity between us,
so we may clear that between us. Is that too much, to ask?
How can there be love,
when we must be false, to justify a belief?
So long one clings to an unquestionable authority,
so long one believes in the perfection of someone
as a tyrant,
who prohibits critical awareness of itself,
whose words contradict each other and one's heart,
one is not and cannot be really true to oneself
or another, in any relationship.
.
One can say that different doctors have different methods,
but what is the value of doctor who will kill you if you leave him?
love and compassion (as in Buddha here) is clearly superior spiritually
to arrogant tyranny (as in the prophet of Islam
here: Bukhari (52:260) - The Prophet (Mohammed) said,
"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him".
Most believers of any religion I had the opportunity to speak with,
had no problem in preaching to me, about their belief,
but had real problem in a relationship of mutual listening and understanding was not what they could go into.
Most of them, whether they were Catholics, Muslims, or followers of a Guru, they did not mind silly chatting, but were not interested in a deep, clear, consequent, honest inquiry for truth, as in a philosophic dialogue, once they had to question themselves or their belief's authorities.
The relationship they had, based on a particular authority,
or guru, made it impossible to them to be truly honest in a relationship with people, with me.
When sincerity was all I asked for, from a friend, that was too much to ask from them; and they rather discuss no more with me.
There is no true light, or union without love.
How can a religion that preaches hate create true union and kills
How can a religion that preaches killing non-believers
(those who are sincere and brave enough to question
and criticize its brutality), create true union and peace?
Koran says that all those who disbelieve in Islam
(in his mass murder prophet ) go to hell ( 5:10).
Conflicts of beliefs (as in Islam...)
are inevitable, cannot be resolved by making sense,
so long as we resent and do not allow honest and criticism,
as a petty god of petty minds -
J. Krishnamurti called it...- ;)
I rather have one single friend
with a true heart here and now,
than a belief in an afterlife
with a heartless god.
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-"Do not believe in anything, no matter where you have read or who said it, even if I'm the one who said it, unless it agrees with your own conclusions and your own common sense."-Buddha
When a religion calls for killing unbelievers,
killing those who leave it, this is a hijacking, a violation -
then it is clear that it is not love.
Then this religion has become the Sphinx
which will devour you, unless you decipher it.
***
That there is no compulsion in religion is only fair.
But if questioning is prohibited,
if one has to bow to someone, or a belief,
silencing the truth, if not flattering,
it is clear that this is not love, it is not light giving.
The belief overshadowed the light,
re-placed the truth. and became the creator
of unending conflict, murder and bloodshed,
instead of peace.
***
To kill for a criticism, is tyranny, slavery, not love,
not light-giving.
True love enlightens...
Love alone can convince me.
Our heart will not be convinced by threats or terrorism
that anything or anyone is holy or good!
However threatening, no one can overshadow the clarity
and reason of the love in our heart! (Unless we allow it !).
.***
Those who see this have deciphered the sphinx
and will not be devoured!
I rather one single friend with a true heart
in this life, than an afterlife with a heartless god !
***
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(see link below to Islamic sources references)
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/call_to_muslims.htm
***
According to a psychologist devotee of Osho Baghwan
(my sister Paula),I cannot help people, with my philosophy
because, she says, I hurt people.
And so she does not want me around.
Other devotees, (of Yogananda)
(my cousin Mariana Ovalle and a friend of hers, Joy Perrin)
agreed on something similar with my sister:
because I tried to reason with some of their
unquestionable beliefs, which made no sense to me.
Joy Perrin, asked me how could I
"live a deliberately obscure, ego- cantered nonsense
deliberately hurting people?"
and also said to me I knew nothing of Islam,
which she explained as simply a way
to make people lose their ego.
But after this false accusation, she, as well as Mariana,
wanted no more discussion.
And both blocked me, from their Facebook pages.
and I hear no more from them.
***
Here is something they probably never knew
or want to know about Islam:
If you join the Islam of Mohammed,(ISIS) you cannot leave.
Mostly Muslims will do not tell you this, and you do not know this
before it is too late.
Those from ISIS who would like to leave,
because they see the atrocities which are committed
based on Mohammed's life and Koran,
are literally hijacked by them, by the belief
if you want to quit the belief, try to leave, be careful,
for you can be killed!
Bukhari (52:260) The Prophet (Mohammed) said,
"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him"
I have given them a link to where they can find out the truth about Islam: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articl…/sina/call_to_muslims.htm
***
Well, they are right that my words can hurt people,
when our approaches to a relationship are diametrically opposed.
How are our approaches different?
This is what I decided to find out.
***
Since I was very young, sometimes when I looked into the eyes
of some Gurus and their disciples, for example
in Osho Baghwan's eyes,
even before I ever studied what they stood for or said.
There was something I really did not like or trusted in them.
I missed in them the kind of integrity I find in Jiddu Krishnamurti.
***
The same I felt many times when I visited spiritual communities,
in the exaggeratedly sweet smiles, and ways of many devotees.
(This was my first impression when I entered for the first time,
some places of worship, like those of the Self realization Fellowship
based on Yoganada.)
Studying what these Gurus said, and trying an honest dialogue
with their disciples, I found out what my feelings tried to tell me.
A self respecting philosopher, as a true friend,
puts aside his pride and deceitful self defence,
out of love for truth, love, justice.
The fundamental requirement in a guru-disciple relationship
is unquestioning obedience.
So, the self defence of belief in this kind of relationship
becomes more important than honesty.
When the image of the authority and the image of the belief
becomes sacred, in no matter what belief,
the priority becomes praise, flattery, above honest critic.
Blind submission above seeing for oneself.
The priority is preservation of the imago of sacredness,
above what we see is true, or see is love, or just.
above admitting what is true.
Belief between us takes priority
over sincerity between us.
So believers from whatever unquestionable belief,
which promote unreasoning fear to see for oneself,
develop a typical 'learning disability'.
We could call this unreasoning belief 'learning disability'...
***
So, the sincerity of the true friend, can hurt indeed.
those who say you must silence the truth if not flattering,
who rather fake a smile or love they do not feel
than to be critical.
Those who must (make) believe
that someone is perfect,
though they tell you not show your weaknesses to people.
***
Sincerity cannot hurt the humble
because the humble can explain it
if someone does not understand
and can apologise when they are wrong.
If we are true, we need not make believe we are perfect.
That is not important.
***
It are not the truth lovers
but those who pretend to be perfect,
unquestionable,
and the believers and flatterers of the proud,
who can be hurt, by sincerity.
who can make false accusations,
and want no more discussion.
It are the ones who fear to be true
to one another not to hurt each other's vanity
who act as hypocrites- who can demand
an unquestioning belief while they have
but will not confess when they are wrong,
will not show their weaknesses to people.
the unquestioning believers
and not the truth loving ones, are in the end
those who divide people in unsolvable conflicts,
because one may not question or reason with beliefs.
These are the ones, in fact, who are living
what they accuse others of:
"of a deliberately obscure, ego- centered nonsense";
even if they are very sweet,
and not deliberately hurting people.
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*********************References
Dear Obama
Dear Obama, are you aware, when Imams are preaching stoning of women and killing people for leaving Islam in European Mosques, or are you with your head in the sand in relation to the ideology of Islam?
***I agree not to insult someone for a belief but not to flatter a belief which insults everyone who is not of its belief!
The history of violent domination in the Koran, in the history of the prophet of Islam, which inspired to this day the atrocities, the barbaric punishments, the violent conversion, the death punishments in the Sharia laws of Muslim lands, all this contradicts Obama's statements that Islam is not violent, that Islam is a religion of peace.
Persons are not the image or belief we make of them.
Do you agree?
So how can a belief be the ultimate truth about anyone,
the ultimate reality or God?
***
Consciousness is the true spiritual nature of all beings.
To a truth lover, a person is not their religion, or their ideology.
the thoughts they have, for those can be changed
according to culture, conditioning.
A person is no more her or his beliefs,
than a fruit is the image we have of it in our mind.
Both the image we make of ourselves
as the image we make of others is just a creation- not the real I or you.
For a religion to do that, to make a prejudice against someone
for a mere belief, as the Koran does, is not to promote real love
and real peace between people.
Real peace and love, can only happen when people,
freely, spontaneously, see what is, for themselves.
Not trying to pursue an idea,
or living up to an image of what they are supposed to be.
.***
As anyone who understands what true love is, can see this:
A religion which first lures people in, with a promise of paradise,
obliging them to discriminate all people by what they believe,
discriminate and combat even physically,
non believers of its own belief, and orders to make war against them,
until no other religion is there in the world than its own,
this is a terrorist hijacking of people and minds.
(Bukhari (52:260) - 'If somebody (a Muslim)
discards his religion, kill him"),
this is not a religion any more.
***
Beliefs which say believe or die to people
are a violation of consciousness.
an obstruction for people to see things for themselves.
therefore to be truly sincere in a relationship.
But this threat is also a test,
to see what we value the most:
sincerity, love justice or out of fear for the tyrant,
or playing the game of flattery, prejudice, bigotry.
which is neither truth, love not justice.
Only between two conscious being can there be love
Not between two images, or two prejudices,
***
Authority and subservient submission to authority
is not the same as humbleness and true communion..
Communion in the spirit of truth, love justice implies equality,
Not that between a subject and an object.
where one of the partners considers the other as mere object.
The only faith which is self evident, to me, is that
Truth, Love, Justice is greater than untruth, hate, injustice.
is the greater than any one person.
No person above Truth, love, justice.
***
A Muslim terrorist, shouts " Allah is greater",
while he murders an unbeliever.
(who might simply be an honest a truth lover.
a follower of Jehovah, or Christ.)
is that Truth, Love, Justice?
***
To be God,
Jehovah or Christ or Allah had to be the same as
Truth, Love, Justice, no?
But are they, really? Wee must ask ourselves.
The only hope of harmony, in the end,
will be finding what that is: Truth, Love, Justice.
***
If Moses killed a whole community
of people for their beliefs,
is that Truth, Love, Justice?
If Jesus said we have to kill those
who do not accept him as their king,
is that Truth, Love, Justice?
If Mohammed mass murdered
any community for their beliefs
is that Truth, Love, Justice?
***
If the Bible's Jehovah or the Koran's Allah
teach to discriminate others by the mere thoughts
beliefs in their mind, and kill them for that,
when we are much more
than our mere conditioning ,
our thoughts or beliefs -
is that Truth, Love, Justice?
***
If we are loving Truth, Love, Justice, we can discuss about this,
but not if we are just justifying belief. even when contradicting itself.
If there is no discussion possible, because
there is no questioning our authority, is this Truth, Love, Justice?
***
In a communion of consciousness there can be love.
but if I relate not to you but to an image I have of you, a belief,
is that love?
Can there be any love
in a mere thought, of prejudices, of beliefs?
in discriminating people,
not by what they are in their essence,
but by that which they imagine to be true,
by a conditioning, tradition, for example?
There can be complicity, in prejudices,
as between those of a racist clan,
but not real love.
Love is something deeper than that.
***
Can there be any love a relation where someone
can kill you for a criticism
as Islamic history tells Mohammed did
(according to
"http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articl…/sina/call_to_muslims.htm").?
***
If one must silence the truth, when it is not praising, in a relation,
or one loses one's life, as in Islam, this relation cannot really be sincere.
I only ask sincerity in a friendship.
***
Can a relation of submission to an authority,
a slave-master relation ever be sincere?
***
The though we make of someone is not the same thing
as being aware of this person.
The thought images we make of each other,
the prejudices we have the beliefs we have about someone
are in fact what keeps us from seeing the real person.
From relating truly to each other.
prejudicing someone for their belief,
is cause of untruth, hate and injustice, between people.
it may bring conformity.
But is that peace? Is that true happiness?
***
So according to a belief where no criticism is allowed
and I will be killed if I leave it,
I must conform, not really be just happy now,
so that one day, I will be happy, in paradise, after I die.
Is not true paradise the very light of love in our souls,
in our hearts, which give us guidance?
***
According to Christ I must love my enemies,
love happens in the present.
not somewhere in the future after I die.
Love is the paradise within. This makes sense to me.
But according to Islam I must kill those who leave Islam,
for example. I may not take Christians or Jews as friends.
I am not to love my enemies (that is the enemies of Islam).
In Islam, I must discriminate people for what they believe.
when the truth is deeper than a belief.
Is that Truth-Love-Justice? Not for me.
***
.The Koran says a believer must fight for Islam.
If I must do that, I am hijacking people.
I will not do that.
Is this the peace of Islam ?
Tell me dear President Obama...
***
That is not what the light
of Truth, Love and Justice says in my heart it is right to do.
I could never convert with a sword as Mohammed did.
I do not have to kill unbelievers to create understanding, do I?
all we need is clarity and sincerity in a relation with people
(what slave master relation does not have).
***
Our true essential nature, is the love consciousness,
which is good.
The source of all delusion, misery and conflict
which destroys our relationships with each other
are the false thoughts.
***
One must see this for oneself.
I do not ask for belief ! :)
As a Hindu sage has said,
"The true self is i eternal and of endless love.
It will be revealed, when the false thought is destroyed."
(Ramana Maharishi)
Best wishes to all, from
van Chapman
Philosophic Community Project
References:
http://www.therebel.media/what_imams_are_saying_in_europe
*"bigot" refers to a person whose habitual state of mind includes an obstinate, irrational, or unfair intolerance of ideas, opinions, ethnicity, or beliefs that differ from their own, and intolerance of the people who hold them. (Wikipedia).
-Philosophic Community Project -
van Chapman
For a peaceful and intelligent solution to terrorism.
One has to break free
from unquestioning beliefs
to be able to see the truth wherever it is, whoever has said !
http://www.naturestudio.net/updateyourgod.html
It is crucial to see this.
***
In a dialogue I ask not belief, but sincerity
"Do not believe in anything, no matter where you have read or who said it, even if I'm the one who said it, unless it agrees with your own conclusions and your own common sense."-Buddha
Here is how, in practice,
taking my own conclusions
and my own common sense has worked,
in my dialogues with believers and devotees
of different beliefs:
When I tried to philosophy, to make sense with devotees
(of Yogananda), for example, to my surprise;
this was their reaction:
-"How can you live an intentionally hurting,
ego centered nonsense?" (!!!)
I will briefly explain it.
During exchanges of ideas with one sweet devotee
(of Yogananda), she tried to give me advice
on how to solve a relationship conflict with someone.
She told me that any criticism should be silenced,
that truth should be silence, if not flattering!.
According to her, I had not to point out anything
that was wrong in the way this person acted.
I just had to act lovingly, towards her,even fake it,
if I did not feel it...!
I was surprised! This was compassion, in her view.
Clearing up was not important, because it was hurting!
-Who is hurt by a sincerity and truth, if not flattering?
I asked. The true self or the ego?
If what one says is true,
are we to blame that the other is proud and hurt,
and not humble?
is pleasing the vanity of others a true relationship?
***
I do not ask for belief.
You may question me, challenge me!
I ask sincerity. That we be coherent,
consequent in what we say to each other.
She asks neither one of those!
Neither sincerity nor coherence, neither reason
nor being consequential.
Her Guru and her say
one must not show our weaknesses to people.
But he, Yogananda, and she ask unquestioning belief!
and this what is hypocritical to my eyes,
she calls devotion, loyalty!
I ask sincerity. not belief
My sweet devotees, ask belief,
but real sincerity, rather not!
****
Not only only sweet devotees ask to silence truth-
criticism, if not flattering. -tyrannic people ask that too.
In the news today is how Erdogan, president of Turkey,
shut down a news paper because it criticized
his government policies.
History tells that prophet Mohammed also asked to silence
criticism, if not flattering to his image and the image of Islam,
for the sake of authority, or belief!
Mohammed even murdered for a criticism.
And this can be called "sacredness"...
Another believer I met, interested in the Kaliphaat,
also could not take any form of criticism to it.
Though boasting of the Islam, he did not assume
a public dialogue with me-He rather stay anonymous...
(He liked to start a writing by saying:
"In name of Allah"...then proceeded to tell prosaic things.
-Have you no respect for Allah? I asked him.
How can you speak no matter what in your God's name?
We are on friendly terms, but,
as with my Yogananda devotees,
this believer did not want further questions from me.
I had to stop telling the truth, if that was not flattering
to the imago of his belief.
Philosophy is to look at what is,
not avoid it in self defense.
I hope this Muslim I call Erci now he sees the real horror IS is doing,
sees what the 'return of the Kaliphat' really means,
and realized how he was completely deluded!
Philosophic Community Project
van Chapman
One
is love
Beliefs are many
Refference:
What has self defence to do with philosophy, wisdom or truth?
BELIEF APOLOGETICS
OFTEN SEE THE CONTRADICTIONS OF THEIR OPPONENTS.
BUT AVOID TO SEE OR CONFESS THOSE OF THEIR OWN...
And to this they call self defence.
14 Oct. 2014
To pre-scientific societies, the world was flat,
the sun and the stars turned around the earth.
At sunset, the sun sunked
in a mud pool at the horizon.
The biblical 'Day of Creation'
would be around 3761 BC.
And some of their "Words of God"
told to kill unbelieves!
Surely God's Word needs urgent updating…
Are believers of any belief system able to be true
and coherent in a philosophical dialogue,
when this is what they say?
Who is hurt by the truth which is not flattering,
even if it may be true?
Our pride or our humbleness?
Who is hurt by a criticism, when it is negative,
if not flattering, even if it is true?
Our one's own or another's pride, ego.
our false self, no doubt..
Who would rather flatter someone
and be flattered,
even when the other is or we are mistaken?
I have spoken to both fanatic and non-fanatic believers.
But whether they were simple devotees, or terrorists,
(those who justified terrorism
based on what is written in a a so called "Holy book"
or authority, Koran or Bible or another),
they were not coherent, in a dialogue with me.
Believers and their authorities
ask belief in the perfection of someone.
above reson, above sincerity, and call this loyalty.
***
The truth lover, as a true philosopher, asks not for perfection
but sincerity and truth, not belief.
A believer, instead, asks for belief in the perfection
of someone, of an authority, but not sincerity.
The truth lover, as a true philosopher,
does not mind being confronted.
for if falselly accused, one can clarify it.
The believer of an unquestionable authority,
Fears to confront his belief with what makes sense,
fears to be confronted in his belief
because he may not question belief.
***
Terrorists are not afraid of bombs, but of questions
***
The truth lover, as a true philosopher,
has faith in the potential consciousness of people.
The believer of an unquestionable authority
believe in a god who cannot explain himself
or createe understanding,
but must only be obeyed
flattered,
not criticized,
however nonsense his prophet may say,or do
(like marriing a child, and mass mudering a whole city for not believing in him for example,)
or threaten to send people to an eternal hell.
***
To this day there are still people who believe
in a God who cannot reason,
who could kill his children in hell fire
if they simply reasoning with him.
A perverse teacher would kill his students,
if not passing their exams
in one lifetime, a mere moment in eternity,
and torture them for the rest of eternity,
instead of enlightening them,
giving them wisdom,
killing their ignorance.
rather than killing them.
Just a horrific monster of a teacher!
A truth lover as a philosopher has faith
in mutual understanding between people
not blind obedience to power.
And in collaboration,
not competition
not in a irrational fear
and an irrational belief!
in an intelligent dialogue,
as this one can be in love of truth,
and for the justice of true love between us
human beings
Here is a link to a page: - Update-your-god
If I did not trust the potential consciousness
in humans, and even in some animals,
I would not have even started a dialogue with them...
***
If I would be among those who hate
I would believe that the only solution to the conflict of belief,
the only war on terror, was bloody violence, not reason.
I see that love is greater than hate.
truth, love and justice,
is above everyone, even the one think to be God!
Who fears the truth, the humble or the proud?
The conflict of beliefs dividing people on earth
for millenniums can be cleared up.
I have faith in a spirit of truth, love, justice.
I call this the Holy Spirit.
But it has not to do with what the Churches
have done or said in name of God if it not make any sense
and contradict truth, love, justice, itself
As I see for myself, a good question can create clarity,
where there was none!
This is my faith.
***
Are believers of any belief system able to be coherent,
consequent, able to reason with their beliefs? I ask.
In practice, this is just how it goes:
To understand something, we have to look at it.
This is the first thing.
So we have to look into it our beliefs,
into its contradictions, with humility- abandon all pretense.
We need humble, sincere, fearless awareness.
for self awareness.
Is that possible?
Can you do that as a believer?
be self aware in relation to what we believe?
To the in-consequences in beliefs, not only those of others, but our own?
Can we do that together in a dialogue without fighting?
In a civilized, courteous and honest way?
Who are we? Our vanity?
Here is an example from my experience in dialoguing
with believers:
A devotee of Yogananda used to say to me
that criticism, even if true, should be silenced.
She did not like to prove anyone right or wrong.
she said.
She also did not like to be proved wrong.
Even if she was wrong.
On the other hand, she did not mind to 'make believe'
She even advises me I try to do this.
To fake a love or a smile if I did not feel it,
in order to please others.
This is compassion, in her eyes.
but, is this not the ego, we try to please with flatter,
is this not a relationship of appearances, of masks,
instead of a true one, when I have to appear to be loving
to be happy when I am not?
Is compassion with others
or ourselves, to create awareness,
to create understanding,
just relationships with each other,
or feed each other's ego, each other's pride?
How can we even start to clear any conflict
with whom must seem happy and sweet
even when they do not feel it
and who tries to look away from conflicts
or silence defects ?
In all systems of belief,
the unquestioning believer is proud
on behalf of his unquestioning authority.
And these authorities contradict each other.
creating unsolvable problems, mysery and wars.
The problem of the contradictions
in name of God which create the most hopeless wars
for millenniums, which I try to show her,
talk about it to her, is not even a problem for her;
because she can even pretend it does not exist!
If you criticize devotees like these,
their belief, even if the critic is well founded,
they might say (quote):
"live on meaningless, deliberately obscure,
Ego- centered nonsense" (end quote).
And before you can explain and clear it up, between you
you are blocked, from the discussion on Facebook!
Similarity, a terrorist,
could even kill you for a critic on his prophet,
even if what you say is true!!
Understanding the source of the conflict
gerated by unquestioning beliefs
is not an issue to believers.
They are even suppose to like to make war,
in the Islam, not to reason for themselves,
or question if the authority is right, or wrong.
Believers can be proud on behalf of their authorities.
for they might rage at you for a criticism.
I love what St Éxupéry wrote:
"But the conceited man did not hear him.
Conceited people never hear anything but praise."
(The Little Prince: Chapter 11).
No honest, sincere, intelligent dialogue but war!"
This is the stupidity of the terrorist Jihad !
This is the cage of authority they are in and want to drag you in to.
by any means.
Jiddu Krishnamurti understood this before I born.
and I remain grateful to him for being free and showing this to the world!
How can a mind full of beliefs have clarity,
asked Krishnamurti.
As my friend devotee they depend on another to see for them
they just have to repeat what they say as a mantra.
the problem is lack of self awareness;
The conflict they live in is not important.
they learn to shovel it under the carpet!
The real problem for them is clearing up!
I am not offering a belief system.
only a no-nonsense honesty in a dialogue.
To me it is self evident
self evidence
that that truth love justice are greater
than untruth, hate, injustice.
This is an understanding rather than a belief, but this is true faith!
If the criticism is right, I will apologize,
and if I was misunderstood,
I like to explain clear it up in our relationship.
Confrontations can be inspiring,
if you do not fear the truth.
So this I understood better now:
whether they are sweet devotees, or criminal terrorists,
unquestionable authorities all have this in common:
lihe the conceited (van) man of St éxupéry,
they not hear if you say a truth to them about their belief, if not flattering,
they never hear anything but praise.
They only hear cumpliments
they are afraid of questions.
To my friend believers,
with my best wishes that one day you will admit it is true I say here.
To put the head in the sand is not away to God or self realization!
Your friend in love of truth.
van Chapman,
Philosophic Community Project
One
is love
Beliefs are many.
Urgent! Security warning:Update your God !
Was the Inquisition right, is Jihad ever right?
http://www.naturestudio.net/updateyourgod.html
True angels destroy not men, but the falseness in them.
Update your (understanding of) God.
Beliefs are many,
love is
One
"Do not believe in anything, no matter where you have read or who said it, even if I'm the one who said it, unless it agrees with your own conclusions and your own common sense."-Buddha
